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Julie Administrator Posts: 2752 |
Post your comments here on the Palm m100 review. http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/m100-review.html Just click the POST REPLY button on this page. |
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Calvin Junior Member Posts: 7 |
Good review (as always!), Julie. The only comment I have is that the removable m100 faceplates, a major marketing point for the device, was barely mentioned. These will be cool, when they're available (which should be soon). For more info, see http://www.palm.com/support/m100/faceplate.html [This message has been edited by Calvin (edited 08-27-2000).] |
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Les Faby unregistered |
Great review as always. One question: if you put a protective case on the other Palms, how thick are they. Conversely, without the cover, how would the M100 compare? |
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LeKeiser unregistered |
Hello, Great review |
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Julie Administrator Posts: 2752 |
Calvin: I wasn't sure what else to say about the colored face plates. Basically they just change the color of the face :-) Maybe people will created metal ones... now that would be nice. Les: Julie |
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It's Me ! unregistered |
I tried out the m100 at a store today. One word struck me immediately : cheapo ! Boy, this thing looks and feels cheap. It feels more like those cheapo calculators from Taiwan or China than a Palm. In fact, it reminded me of those cheap knockoffs of hand held games. And like them, the m100 is light, thick, and kiddie-looking. I must say that I would NOT be caught dead using it in the office environment. That's like using your kid's Pokemon crayons :-) The cover doesn't add much thickness since it's very thin, but the place where it joins to the body is ugly and feels flimsy. I expect that to break if you're not careful. I'll pass. A Visor or even a IIIe might be a better bet. |
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bookrats Member Posts: 110 |
Bingo, Julie. As usual, you nailed that one on the head. The whole "cheap" feeling was definitely my impression of it as well. The one thing I give the nod to Palm for is the inclusion of the Note Pad app. I've become so acclimated to Grafitti that the utility of such a program seems small; but I've talked to a *lot* of new Palm users who are looking for this very application. It's interesting to compare it's UI to BugMe! or DiddleBug -- they did a number of things in Note Pad to make it simpler and easier to use, I think. ------------------ |
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tthiel Member Posts: 72 |
This thing is a not very funny joke. it shows how little idea Palm has of their market and how little ability they have to innovate. No wonder so many people are switching to Pocket PCs. |
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KathleenMcG Member Posts: 26 |
Diehard Palm fans like us are not the target audience for this machine. I saw one up close at LAPUG on Saturday and my immediate impression was that it is too small. Okay, and perhaps a bit cheesy. I remembered, though, that this would be for teens and early college students. I have read more than one article in the NY Times, and other places about kids using their parents old palms. Here we have one made essentially for that market. Young, on the way to being technically savvy, future high end Palm users. |
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Kent unregistered |
tthiel is about as clueless as they come. Aside from the fact that Pocket PC is selling no better than any other CE device, Pocket PC shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as the m100. These products are as different as night and day, as are their target markets. Julie's final comment was, IMHO, the most insightful: "I think that the m100 would be more attractive if it was priced at $100. To me, it feels more like a $100 device than a $150 device." Exactly. And you know what? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the m100 is selling for $100 within a few short months. In order to truly make a PDA that appeals to the masses, Palm will have to crack the $100 mark. The m100 looks like it was designed to do just that. As for its "toylike" appearance, the m100 reminds me of nothing as much as it does a cell phone or pager. The m100 is no more a toy than any of these devices. Palm is set on making handheld computers as ubiquitous as cell phones and pagers. The m100 is one more step towards making that a reality. As for the "power users" out there, be patient...Palm has more new products waiting in the wings, as do its licensees. ;-) |
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Les Faby unregistered |
Julie said: I don't have a case for the m100 yet so I can't tell you how much bigger that it will make it. But, since there is a flip cover you really don't need a case. * * * * Then wouldn't a fair comparision of thickness compare it to a PALM V or VII with a case since they would require a protective case? (Sorry my question wasn't clear) |
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Frank unregistered |
"Now the power button is another story. For some reason they decided to locate this button to the top center of the unit. The button is nice and large, but I find its location to be less than convenient. The button is also very stiff and requires a firm press to turn the unit on. I'm always having to press the button twice to get it to activate. This tends to irritate me so I usually use one of the application buttons to power the unit on instead." The power button seems to be designed to be used by the stylus. There is a small detent in the center of the button. The switch seems to work easily this way. |
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Deslock2112 unregistered |
I've owned an HP200LX, Pilot1000, PalmIII, and currently own a PalmV. I bought my wife the M100 a few weeks ago. Just a few additional comments... SIZE: BETTER BACKLIGHTING: TODOS IN DATEBOOK: APPEARANCE SPEED: PRICE: OTHER COMMENTS: I'm selling my PalmV for $225 and buying an M100 for $130 (you can get them for that with coupons at various online sites), which I'm going to upgrade to 8MB. I've wanted more memory in my PalmV for a while, but didn't want to pay $100 for it and didn't want to mess around with melting the case glue. An 8MB M100 ought to hold me over until the Palms with 200+ MHz cpus come out next year |
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DonD Member Posts: 48 |
Julie, Although the flip lid,(reminiscent of the PiLid for the old Palm Pro), will protect the screen when it's covering it, I think this device still needs a case for protection. It felt cheap to me as well. And like you said, there was nothing to hold the lid down. Just imagine how thick this would be with a case around it! I would bet that some savvy entrepreneur out there will be designing a flashy aluminum replacement flip cover that also clips to something on the bottom of the unit to keep it closed. In fact, that's probably why Palm has the flip lid 3d model on their M100 developer's page. As for the lightweight feel of the M100, I wonder how much of that is due to the plastic vs glass screen? I think that Palm should be applauded for making such a light PDA. But to me, in many ways lighter feels weaker or cheaper. Which is too bad, because unless people start to find that they break easily, there isn't any real data to say that they are in fact cheap or weak. Don |
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tiga Junior Member Posts: 5 |
Hi, I am a student from South Africa. They are releasing M100 next week Monday. I dont have a palm, and would like to get one, need advice....... I just like to know would they be releasing anything else, for the "M" Series? Second, 2MB, is that enough? I dont have a palm device, and you know 2MB on a PC means its useless, so about how many programs i can install? (Not to-dos, memos, e.t.c. I will never have thousands of appointments). Third, the size seems huge compared to the others, any opinions? Lastly, if you can, when you write these reviews, try and include metric systems (CM, MM, g, e.t.c.) so i dont have to convert all the time. Thank you very much |
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pig dog Member Posts: 63 |
as a teacher that promotes palm use as a tool in education i hope the m100 will open the door for students (in the place of lugging around notebooks) and teachers (tight with a $) but i agree the price is a little high ... at $100 (<200 cdn) people may be willing to give it a try |
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Masque unregistered |
I have owned a Palm m100 for a couple of weeks now. I have lived with a Pilot 1000, 5000, and V and I feared for their very existance when carrying any of them. I work in a professional environment and I have gotten nothing but praise from coworkers about the curved shape and convenient cover. When you place the Palm V in case that can adequately protect its fragile glass screen while in my pocket it becomes nearly as thick as the m100, and larger in the other dimensions. I don't find the smaller screen to be a limitation at all - in fact, the durability of the screen was my main reason for purchase. I don't understand how a lighter, more rugged product can feel 'cheap' to anyone who has ever tried to do more than sit in a car, then a cubicle, then a couch all day. Granted, it's light and it's plastic, but this means it won't be destroyed by a short drop or a sharp collision with something hard. I can finally carry a palm with me -every day- and everywhere I go. Bravo, Palm, for making a product that active people can use. Now, about that 8MB upgrade.... |
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Jagster unregistered |
I think folks on this board miss the point. The Palm m100 is an inexpensive device that does not require care and feeding. No upgrades, slots, anything else for that matter. Just a straight PDA. I love it for its minimalism. And oh, by the way it survived an 8 ft. drop onto carpeting without a scratch. |
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rsc Junior Member Posts: 5 |
>In case you were thinking of beaming the new Note Pad app to another Palm OS device, >you'll be happy to know, you can. Really? I bought my girlfriend an m100, and the NotePad app was locked to prevent beaming. You can beam the notes themselves, but not the app. |
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bobm unregistered |
Nice review. Just a note: I have a Visor and just got a Helio (another interesting machine). The biggest complaint I have with the Visor and Handspring in general is that the expansion slot is a crap shoot. It's a great idea but if it was just a normal CF flash slot I would have been using it already. The promised list of cards sounds great but there are very few out there. Some of the neater ones also disappeared from the list (802.11b wireless ethernet to be specific). Watching how fast the battery dies when using the backlight or a busy USB sync I don't really think the Visor (and most likely Palm products) will really work well with too many add on cards. My winCE devices are heavier but when I dock them they recharge. That's what Visor needs to do. |
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Syaman Junior Member Posts: 3 |
Hi Julie, I tried to beam the Note Pad app from the m100 to my IIIx but it was "locked" and couldn't be beam. In fact all the ROM-based applications in the m100 were "locked" and couldn't be beamed even using BeamBox though the ROM-based applications in my IIIx aren't. I wonder what the problem might be? |
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Julie Administrator Posts: 2752 |
Syaman, Use Zcatalog to beam it to another Palm. http://www.eblong.com/zarf/zcatalog.html FYI: I found that the app is REALLY slow on my IIIc. Julie |
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backlight unregistered |
I use Visor backlight all the time, and it just never, never seems to burn out. Visor is best Palm OS device all around. Plenty of SB's already (last was 56K/V90 modem, about 10 days ago), just "not fast enough" for us who live in the future, compared to the rest of the culture. |
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Ben Steeves unregistered |
Let's review what's been covered so far about the M100: 1) The target audience is high-school seniors and university students, people who have some money to spend and like cool-looking high-tech gadgets. (If there had been a $150 Palm in the bookstore when I was a freshman, I definitely would have picked one up!) 2) It's lighter than any other battery-equiped Palm, but not smaller. However, it doesn't need a protective case while all other Palms do. This pretty much makes up for the size difference. Add to that that at $150 its almost a disposable unit compared to the $400 Palm Vx or IIIc. 3) The smaller screen area gives the screen a higher DPI and a higher resolution look, and the backlight is brighter (probably due to the higher DPI). 4) It comes with a hotsync cable, but no cradle -- and it only syncs serial, no USB. 5) The mail app is missing -- a strange decision on Palm's part. I can understand removing the Expense app (it's about time, since it's basically useless in its current form), but I thought the mail app would be great for the target audience. 6) The serial port is compatable with the III-series, but the case design makes interoperability with III-series attachments impossible. Some devices, like keyboards and cables work, though. 7) Good application and scroll buttons, lousy power button. 8) Flip cover is well designed but ought to snap closed, like that on a Newton. 9) The M100 comes with PocketMirror -- combined with the absence of the mail app, this one really twists my noodle: the IIIe came with Expense and Mail, but not with PocketMirror... why, Palm? |
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Kevin Currans unregistered |
Thnaks for the review and the work you did reviewing the m100. There are some suttle things I see in the M100 that I think slipped your review. Its round bottom and smaller shape fits in my pocket better then the PalmV or IIIs. Has changed in functionally? You opened your review with this note, and it sounded to me like a put down? In my point of View this is a BIG PLUS! It becomes one less thing I have to worry about, "different screen size", different number of buttons, different ram configuration. This makes software easier to produce, and test. The consumer again, comes out a winner since it is a device adjusted to their needs but, maintains a stable configuration for developers. Harder On button: Nice again, unless you have arthritis. It is less prone to come on in my pocket, and I can toss the always-on hack. Replaceable bezel: I think this can be easly over-looked. Any young customer will ask, does it come in blue? green? My school colors?... This has proven to be a very successful features, (cell phones can attest to this) while at the same time, simplifying manufacturing, and packaging. Once again, lowering the cost of the device, while improving what is delivered to the customer. Julie, did you take it apart? In order to lower costs, I would assume they simplified the assembly. It would be interesting to look at this. Reliability should be improved if they did this. The cost is a big issue. If you draw a chart The bigest negative I see is the fact that it is not FLASHABLE! Like the boo-boo handspring did, was to give the poor customer a fixed OS. Ir was improved between PlamOS 3.3 and 3.5, as I am sure networking. But the poor sap that buys either of these will never get the improvements. Don't let Palm forget, that we want devices to live, till we are done with them! |
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jsensation1 Moderator Posts: |
I just saw a M100 in person, and it has an incredibly small screen! I really don't know how you could use the screen, definitely if you were over 1 year old...anyway, it is a nice concept, but lets just see how much the IIIe's start going for in eBAY. Jason |
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Ben Steeves unregistered |
The lack of Flash isn't a major issue, really. Anything that can be applied via Flash can be applied via a soft update. The biggest issue is that the M100's memory can't be expanded except by going in and changing the chip. You can apply OS updates 'til the cows come home, but if you run out of user RAM it's game over. At least with the Visor you can put the OS updates on a Flash module or in RAM. |
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Deslock Junior Member Posts: 9 |
Kevin Currans: While there are patches that can't be applied (like the 3.x > 3.3 update), you can install the minor updates (like the 3.5.x > 3.5.2). Also, the updates really aren't THAT important (for most people anyway). It's not like Windows where there are thousands of bugs and you're asking for trouble if you don't apply the newest patches. I sold my Pilot1000 to a friend when I got my PalmIII. I sold that to another friend when I got my PalmV. Those units are still running whatever OS version they had when I sold them. And, I still run 3.1.1 on my PalmV. |
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Les Faby Member Posts: 22 |
RE: no Flash Memory on Visor Other manufacturers wished |
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Les Faby Member Posts: 22 |
RE: No email utility Was the ROM was all filled up? Did Palm not want to cannibalise their |
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Verizon Tech in Indiana unregistered |
I purchased the m100 for its durability which has already proven itself worthy. I "beamed" the e-mail application from a Palm III so that I can do my e-mail on the m100. I really like the AvantGo application and the Note Pad is really handy. I work for a phone company as a field tech. The form factor of the m100 is a definite plus because I have almost everything I need for my work in my shirt pocket. More memory might be nice as I'm also running out of RAM. But, there is a guy in New Jersey who can add the 8Meg chip for $80.00. I was considering a TRG-Pro but 'am really pleased with the m100 so far. |
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tritan unregistered |
If you use todo's,calender,memo and avantgo is the 2meg of the m100 enough?? I bought a IIIxe because everybody said you will want the room and need the room. Then i got alot of advice you need this game, and that game, ebook reader,babylog, car maintance, listmaker.. etc.. I still 90% of the time use the basics that come with the palm. I think if you are going to use it as a address,todo list, memos, it should have enough memory or am i wrong.. This unit seems to be aimed for the planner user. Not the business man who wants to read a ebook to pass time on a flight. If you want to add all the games, books, etc... yes pass this up and good for the 8 meg units.. but personally i might sell my IIIxe and get a m100. I just dont use the extras that i have now.... input???? |
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bookrats Member Posts: 110 |
quote: From my own experience with an 8MB Visor, I think that if you're just using the 4 main Palm OS apps (and maybe DateBk4 -- but that eats up a chunk of memory there), you'd generally be fine with 2 MB. AvantGo is questionable -- depends what you're downloading. For the last 4 months, between AvantGo, Datebk4, etc., I've been around ~40% full, so probably at 3MB. But I have a fair amount of crap that I never use, and AvantGo takes a big chunk out as well. In short, I think you're right -- just the ToDo, Address book and Calendar and Memos should be OK with 2MB, unless you're running an entire business with lots of contacts out of it. ------------------ |
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Q Member Posts: 337 |
I agree, especially from when I was using a Professional (with 1Mb) and had Datebk3 [this was before Datebk4, after all], SmartDoc, and a whole bunch of other smaller programs. If all you want is the basics, 2Mb should be enough/ample. I don't think I started using AvantGo until I got my Vx, and that's been around half full for most of the time I've had it. And |
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tthiel Member Posts: 72 |
I bought an M100 cable ($19.99) at Frys for my IIIc and as you said it works very well. Makes a very nice sync cable for traveling. Thats the ONLY positive thing I can think of about the M100 though. -Terry |
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tritan unregistered |
I only use Yahoo channel right now..That should be enough for the 2mb shouldn't it?? I like yahoo it has weather ,sports ,stocks everything all in one channel. I like the look of the m-100 , but haven't tried one yet. I think i will head to the store today and see what they feel like and check out the screen. |
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MrGallup unregistered |
The one thing that frustrates me about a lot of comments relating to the m100 is the belief that everything that a company like Palm releases HAS to be bigger and better than the last release. Palm has had the sexy, expensive market tied up with the V and Vx - they have the mid tier, but they needed something on the low end, and like it or not colorful, imac handhelds are more important in the $150 price point then bigger screens, more memory, cradles etc. Complaining that Palm has released such a low end device and not one that improves on the Vx misses the point. This is a new market segment for them - they released the m100 for the same reason that Cadillac released the Catera and BMW, Mercedes and Lexus all have SUV's - the gain access to new and different buyers. |
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tiga Junior Member Posts: 5 |
I went to Incredible Connection today to try out the Palm m100 and V. I realised no big difference. They are basically the same! Here is what I concluded the differences are. (compared against Palm V) Size: A little thicker than the Palm V, which doesnt bother me at all, and fits my chest pocket easily. Weight: Lighter* than the Palm V!!! Battery: AAA Batts, but saves the cradle and the price for a Lith Batt. Features: Basically the same, no mail and no expense. But there is a Notepad, which I think is quite nice. Also there is a clock. HotSync: Using Cable, which is kind of easy. Cover: Plastic Screen, Flip over, easy to use, not annoying. Able to change faceplates. Conclusion: Really, this is a good buy for students, and I think that the M100 will make the Palm V a rip-off. (Not the Vx). The price here in South Africa are: Okay, you might all be complaining about the memory, and I am only a student (who cannot buy a HP). Now, I was thinking because that warranty is 1 year, and just before the end of that year, if I think I need extra warranty, I get. But if I dont have any space left by the end of the 1 year warranty, I would actually install a 3rd party memory extension. In any case, warranty is only for 1 year, and by the time I get the 3rd party memory, my warranty will be void. So doesnt matter if they say that I cannot have warranty because I installed an extra memory slot. Anyway, I havent got it yet, but hoping to get a m100 in the next 14 days! [This message has been edited by tiga (edited 09-23-2000).] |
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Julie Administrator Posts: 2752 |
tiga, Yes, I agree that the m100 is pretty much the same as the Palm V. Actually all Palm OS devices are the 'same' as far as the OS goes. It's the casing, screen (mono, color), memory stick, springboard slot, and other little add ins that make each product unique. You are right that the m100 is good for students on a budget. But, I think I would be more likely to buy the lower priced Handspring Visor because it also gives you a springboard slot for future expansion. |
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tiga Junior Member Posts: 5 |
Well, I just dont get why the Palm V and the M100 has such a HUGE price difference. I understand the lithium battery, they are not so pricey. Plus, there is actuallty not much difference for the thickness. Anyway, here in South Africa, all handhelds are imported, but for Palm themselves, there is at least a 3COM office that I can go to should my Palm break down. But so far, there are no Handsprings and they are very rare. (Probably imported). And I doubt that they will have expansion cards for those slots. Still, it is quite a lot of money and there is the pen and paper method.
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