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Julie
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posted 09-13-2001 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post your comments here on the Möbius 2001 Trip Report Article.

http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/mobius2001-article.html

Just click the POST REPLY button on this page.

forrester
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posted 09-13-2001 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for forrester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great job, Julie & Judie. Very interesting article.

One item of note: the link for pocketgoddess.com points to pocketgodess.com.

Judie Clark
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posted 09-14-2001 12:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ACK!
Thanks for pointing that out!
Judie :0)

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posted 09-14-2001 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Firetrail   Click Here to Email Firetrail     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wow ! i just love reading this article None too 'official', nor too biased ...

Great writing !

Gorkon280
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posted 09-14-2001 07:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Microsoft wants to do the RIGHT thing they should make sure ALL and I say ALL handhelds, at least with this version, be upgradeable either via flash or bios chip swap. Casio, at one time, had the top handheld and it was a MIPS processor. Why not have a MIPS version as well? It's just sad that if I want the latest, I have to spend more bucks. Oh well, I guess I had better start saving.

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posted 09-14-2001 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gremlin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The spellchecker won't be in the Rom for the older IPAQ's but will it be available for us to obtain somewhere, so we can load it in our ram?
Will the full version be available to those with the 32 mg rom or if we get an upgrade?
I'm a mobile writer and have been waiting patiently for a spellchecker.

Judie Clark
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posted 09-14-2001 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gremlin,
In answer to your questions:

The spellchecker won't be in the Rom for the older IPAQ's but will it be available for us to obtain somewhere, so we can load it in our ram?

To the best of my knowledge, there are no plans to offer the spell-checker as an upgrade option. Which I think really stinks. but I guess if we really want it, we are expected to buy a new Pocket PC. The good news is that I am hearing that at least one software company is trying to bring out a spell-checker that will work with Word and e-mail. More news, as we get it...

Will the full version be available to those with the 32 mg rom or if we get an upgrade?

No - The only upgrade that will be offered will fit in the original 16MB ROM. So thee is no reason to run out and get the 32MB ROM upgrade. If you already have the 32MB ROM, there is no benefit to having it (unless you run Linux on your iPAQ). :0/

I'm a mobile writer and have been waiting patiently for a spellchecker.

Spell-checker is very important to me, too - so I am sure I will be buying a new Pocket PC. (For many reasons - not just that one)

Sorry about the bad news,
Judie

[This message has been edited by Judie Clark (edited 09-14-2001).]

Larry
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posted 09-14-2001 07:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It appears the the Pocket PC is now in the lead in the PDA war. But at a price. I had a IPAQ and thought it was great...for a while. But the poor battery life, quirky synch with the desktop, and typical tiresome Microsoft interface made me go back to the Palm platform. In summary, it was simply not fun using the IPAQ or the Pocket PC platform. It I now have a Sony Clie's 610. Great screen and battery life, and runs almost any Palm app in high resolution. And at a fraction of the prive of the IPAQ. And yes, Wordsmith is much better than Pocket Word. No doubt the Pcoket PC 2002 is capable, but do we really need it?

Julie
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posted 09-14-2001 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Larry:
I find myself constantly torn between the Palm and the Pocket PC. I really like both almost equally well. Now that I no longer have any problems with ActiveSync, I can honestly say that the only thing I don't like about the Pocket PC is the battery life and that it doesn't have an app like Datebk or ActionNames (I'm sorry, Pocket Informant still doesn't quite do it for me yet).
As for the upgrade, I think it's VERY worth it. If you have an iPAQ, it's going to cost $30... a small price for the added features I think. It would be even better if the Spellchecker were included though! <grump>
Julie

Elad Yakobowicz
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posted 09-14-2001 10:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just finished reading the article (on my Pocket PC no less!). Wow, what can I say? I love reading your articles! You two have a keen talent for writing articles that have to do with first person experience. Great job guys! (Or should I say - "Great job Ladies")

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posted 09-14-2001 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celchu19   Click Here to Email Celchu19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too am a moblie writer who uses an iPAQ and I would like to make a note for the reccord that there is a spell checker included with Cligrapher 6. It isn't as gracefull as it could be and it's almost downright slow in the email program, but it's a lot better than nothing.

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posted 09-14-2001 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Celchu19:

Hey, I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip. I'll have to check it out.

Julie

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posted 09-15-2001 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nate   Click Here to Email Nate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the report - though I'm bummed that I wasn't invited <i>again</i> this year, as usual, you always do a great job out there so it's almost like being there ourselves.

I'm wondering about this ROM thing though - what kind of space is required in RAM for the extra bits, and can you install them a la cart or do you have to take them all? I would be interested in upgrading, but only if the media player doesn't take up too much space in the RAM. I could do without the MS Reader and other stuff though.

The spell checker is a great feature, but it makes me wonder why they didn't do it earlier. PPC OS already has that word-completion feature, which means there is a whole dictionary in there somewhere - why didn't they make a spell checker part of the package in the first place?

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posted 09-15-2001 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nate:

The upgrade fits into the 16mb ROM. I don't know if you will be able to specify which apps to upgrade. I'll assume that you have no choice. From what I understand, the ugprade will not cut into any of your actual RAM... It only touches the ROM.

Julie

Nate
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posted 09-16-2001 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nate   Click Here to Email Nate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'd heard something different from other sites; there is a theory that the upgrade fits mostly into the ROM, but that the media player and some of the other bits were going to leak over into RAM. If you're saying that the OS will actually fit in the ROM by not including the spell checker and other features, I'd say that's a much better way of doing it, since I really can't spare any RAM.

Judie Clark
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posted 09-16-2001 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nate,

I think you misunderstood what Julie was saying.

The upgrade will place Pocket PC 2002 in ROM, but there are a few additional programs that will not fit - and if you want them, you will have to install them in RAM.

Some of the programs that will not fit include: Flash 4 PPC, MSN Messenger, MS Reader, Transcriber, Terminal Server Client, Wap Browser for PPC, and Media Player 8, and MS Money.

The good thing about this is that you can pick and choose what you want to install. The bad thing is that yes, it will eat into your valuable RAM.

From what I understand, the spell-checker is only available to those that get a new Pocket PC, and it will come installed in ROM.

These are some of the "gotchas" that may determine if someone goes ahead and upgrades to the new PPC devices, since they will have all these programs (and perhaps more) in their 32MB of ROM.

Hope this helps,
Judie :0)

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posted 09-17-2001 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nate   Click Here to Email Nate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. The only thing that I'm concerned about (I guess) is the media player. How much RAM do those componants take up?

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posted 09-18-2001 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newbie   Click Here to Email Newbie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I can say is every since I visited your site by hosted by Julie and Judie....

things change... I constantly Glue to your site because of constant daily update of product/gadget/review which other site lack of and of course the human touch of each review and story as if like we are trying to used the product ourself..

Especially the Mobius 2001 report is excellent... with the breivew overview of what's up thingy for us to expect before buy the stuff...

Good work Julie and Judie... Excellent JOb and keep it UP!!

@>-',--- for both of you!!!

Julie
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posted 09-18-2001 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Newbie! You made our day!

Julie

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posted 09-19-2001 05:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just a quick q.: I'm a Palm user from Spain "STARING" at what's going on with PPC vs. PALMOS. Since you were there at Mobius, I'd like to ask you what would you ask a Palm CEO or manager to enhance or to do in order to match what PPC is offering right now.
Thanx a lot & congrats. for your site: it makes me follow "the" track

Julie
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posted 09-19-2001 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julie   Click Here to Email Julie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure Palm will ever 'match' the Pocket PC. Why? Because the Palm has always been a PIM (Personal Information Manager) first. The Pocket PC has always been (in my mind) a laptop shoved into a very small package first.

Both devices can now do the same things. They just do them differently.

Julie

MagmaSiLK
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posted 09-20-2001 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MagmaSiLK   Click Here to Email MagmaSiLK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so what was the concensus (SP? - i think i need a spellchecker for my head) on ...

What is the "Zen" of mobile computing?

thx

MagmaSiLK
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posted 09-25-2001 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MagmaSiLK   Click Here to Email MagmaSiLK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
still kinda curious how you mobius guys answered the zen question posed to you my M$ ... thnx.

Judie Clark
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posted 09-25-2001 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MagmaSiLK,

Sorry, about the wait!

According to the Jargon Files, Zen is: "To figure out something by meditation or by a sudden flash of enlightenment. Originally applied to bugs, but occasionally applied to problems of life in general."

Basically what happened was that people gave different examples of zen moments they had when everything just clicked between them and their PDA - whatever model it happened to be.

The next question was of course, what will it take for you to have more moments like that? So people came up with a list of things they would like to see "just work" in a PDA. Wireless was a favorite, but for some people, it could just be that every time you sync your PDA it works.

One guy described his zen moment as a time when he plugged a new wireless card into his Pocket PC, and it just started working.

Beth Goza, actually mentioned an experience with a Visor phone, and how when she plugged it in, it just worked.

Zen moments are those moments that you have when you get this rush of satisfaction as Hardware, Software, and Brainware connect.

Does that help?
Judie :0)

[This message has been edited by Judie Clark (edited 09-25-2001).]

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